One piece that's missing here that I've seen in the discourse is that Atlantic has been pushing genocide apologia which many tie to their EICs IDF past as well as billionaire backing. So for some it's like "congrats on your salary babe you work for war criminals"
probably would have phrased it more eloquently if i knew it would blew up… but i stand by the basic point! I was genuinely appalled by this backward movement from the strides media unions have made over 10 years of hard work. you can’t eat prestige or passion. small publication I know, but hell gate (for example) has figured out how to pay editors 85 plus offering a worker owner model. nobody gets into journalism to get rich, but if n+1 genuinely can’t afford more than 60 for a high level mid career job (and maybe they can’t!) then they shouldn’t say the job is out of the Brooklyn office where childcare for one child is like 14K a year. that’s all. ty for the considered take (genuinely!)
i was texting someone this take that was basically: this is what happens when all the normal media people have gotten off twitter lol. only the sickos remain!!!
I gave up my journalistic dreams in 2010 at the ripe old age of 25 to make $50k a year doing pr and social media. I hated the work but I thought I was rolling in money compared to my writer friends making like $30k at Teen Vogue who were having to date greek shipping heirs for free meals. I know some inflation has happened since but this discourse always just makes me feel like I sold out for way too little???
VF was always one of the best paying gigs, though. A $75K salary for any writer there even a few years ago would have been laughed at. Long-form writers could make $500K a year for three articles during the publication's heyday!
You didn't make a bad decision. The economy is screwed, and the industry is dying.
Yeah I guess I just feel like $60k for a junior role is not bad… I didn’t make 6 figures until I was over 30, and that was in corporate advertising. But I also don’t know if my instincts are right or I’m just bitter I never got paid the big bucks???
One thing that I haven't seen brought up in these salary conversations: THEY ARE NOT LEGAL! If you are an exempt employee (which both of these positions clearly are, unless Recho wants to be paying 5 hours of overtime each week for the 45-hour weeks she's asking for, even though that class of job should be nonexempt) in NYC, you *must* be paid at least $64,350. You actually cannot pay people that amount if you are hiring in NYC, it is against the law!! Why does no one seem to bother following the law when hiring people, especially in roles that they're publicizing!
One piece that's missing here that I've seen in the discourse is that Atlantic has been pushing genocide apologia which many tie to their EICs IDF past as well as billionaire backing. So for some it's like "congrats on your salary babe you work for war criminals"
probably would have phrased it more eloquently if i knew it would blew up… but i stand by the basic point! I was genuinely appalled by this backward movement from the strides media unions have made over 10 years of hard work. you can’t eat prestige or passion. small publication I know, but hell gate (for example) has figured out how to pay editors 85 plus offering a worker owner model. nobody gets into journalism to get rich, but if n+1 genuinely can’t afford more than 60 for a high level mid career job (and maybe they can’t!) then they shouldn’t say the job is out of the Brooklyn office where childcare for one child is like 14K a year. that’s all. ty for the considered take (genuinely!)
i was texting someone this take that was basically: this is what happens when all the normal media people have gotten off twitter lol. only the sickos remain!!!
I gave up my journalistic dreams in 2010 at the ripe old age of 25 to make $50k a year doing pr and social media. I hated the work but I thought I was rolling in money compared to my writer friends making like $30k at Teen Vogue who were having to date greek shipping heirs for free meals. I know some inflation has happened since but this discourse always just makes me feel like I sold out for way too little???
VF was always one of the best paying gigs, though. A $75K salary for any writer there even a few years ago would have been laughed at. Long-form writers could make $500K a year for three articles during the publication's heyday!
You didn't make a bad decision. The economy is screwed, and the industry is dying.
Yeah I guess I just feel like $60k for a junior role is not bad… I didn’t make 6 figures until I was over 30, and that was in corporate advertising. But I also don’t know if my instincts are right or I’m just bitter I never got paid the big bucks???
I fear many of the biggest mouths on the salary discourse on TikTok never once worked in these fields to begin with lol
we're low key central loci
To post about *new* Condé salaries: Vanity Fair is currently advertising a Staff Writer position on Linkedin. It pays 75K!!!
oooooooof
One thing that I haven't seen brought up in these salary conversations: THEY ARE NOT LEGAL! If you are an exempt employee (which both of these positions clearly are, unless Recho wants to be paying 5 hours of overtime each week for the 45-hour weeks she's asking for, even though that class of job should be nonexempt) in NYC, you *must* be paid at least $64,350. You actually cannot pay people that amount if you are hiring in NYC, it is against the law!! Why does no one seem to bother following the law when hiring people, especially in roles that they're publicizing!
https://www.ebchcm.com/blog/new-york-state-exempt-salary-threshold